Is that gun smoking? CEH – ECCouncil – A Culture of Greed
I am sure there will be repeated denials and claims of a misunderstanding. I am sure there will be more emails too me making accusations and veiled threats. I am also sure that rational people can put two and two together and understand the issues at hand. Read the thread. Make up your mind yourself. The findings as reported are below. If you are setup to speak at an EC-Council sponsored event (you are listed on their sites), step in front of the mirror and remember why you have a CISSP and the ethos behind it. If you don't have a cert, just take a look at yourself from a personal integrity perspective and make the call.
http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan/ec-council/eccouncil_emails.html - http://www.politico.com/blogs/laurarozen/0211/EU_list_identifies_Iran_militia_police_to_be_targeted_for_sanctions_on_human_rights_grounds.html - http://ukforiranians.fco.gov.uk/en/policy/human-rights/what-are-we-doing/eu-sanctions-hr-violators/eu-hr-sanctions-october-2011/behrouz-kamalian - http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=666 -
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http://train.ashiyane.ir/ceh
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/kpnnqs
Figured it was time to change tactics and that led to the below continuing exchange with an award winning EC-Council partner. One of whom I would imagine was asked back in July of 2012 about teaching in Iran.
Figured I had to show the courage they were asking for since they follow US Export regulations and are very clear in their agreements. They don't do business in countries with embargoes. (Remember - Jay is copied on this) I have never been joking about this so I am not sure why they would think it was a joke. I am also hoping that this clarifies anything previously deemed to be cryptic and it is straight forward enough for EC-Council to understand. I also hope that the US Government understands. DoD 8570 I would imagine now there will be a new round of denials and recriminations. My hope is the authorities somewhere will take this seriously and do what is right. Teaching to Ashiyane and others in Iran while teaching the same courses to the DoD, NSA, Pentagon and a multitude of corporations (as boasted by Ashiyane themselves) just doesn't seem to settle well with me. Maybe it is time to separate oneself from those who work for profit only. If you want more information outside this conversation, there are links below that can provide more instances of questionable behavior by EC. I let the content stand for itself.
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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:08:02 +0000
Subject: Enquiry By : emailaddress@email.com, 15/02/2013
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On 2/15/2013 at 3:05 AM, "Peter" <peter@koenig-solutions.com> wrote:
Dear Behrooz,
Thanks for expressing interest in our Training Programs.
This is Peter from Koenig Solutions. I am going to be your sales coordinator at Koenig Solutions. Please make a note of my contact information given at the end of the email.
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------------------- Original Message -------------------From: BehroozReceived: 2/17/2013 4:31 PMTo: Manu Sekhar; Peter; PeterSubject: Re: Behrooz : CEH Training Program at Koenig Dubai
Me and 3 friends want the CEH training. We come on flight emirates flight 978 and want the web application hacking tutorial hands on lab too. What is price in rial? April is when we come to Dubai.
Behrooz
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Dear Behrooz,
Thanks for your mail.
Following is the answer to your query :-
[ Me and 3 friends want the CEH training. We come on flight emirates flight 978 and want the web application hacking tutorial hands on lab too. What is price in rial? April is when we come to Dubai. ]
Ok, following is a possible schedule :-
CEH Fast Track Training Program (group training) : 7th Apr - 11th Apr
Web Application Hacking Tutorial Hands-on Lab Regular Track Training Program (group training) : 13th Apr - 17th Apr
In order to join Training Program starting from Apr. 7th, you need to arrive in Dubai on Apr. 6th (evening or night). We will start the training from Apr. 7th. Classes will be conducted from 9:00am to 5:00pm. End date of the Training Program is Apr. 17th. You can fly back on Apr. 17th (late night) or Apr. 18th (early morning).
Please let us know if the above schedule is suitable for you.
The fee for CEH Fast Track Training Program (group training) in 8-hour format (total duration 6 days, total training / exam days 5) in Dubai is US$ 2,240 per person (in Koenig Deluxe Apartment, including all meals & taxes).
The fee for Web Application Hacking Tutorial Hands-on Lab Regular Track Training Program (group training) in 8-hour format (total duration 6 days, total training days 5) in Dubai is US$ 2,150 per person (in Koenig Deluxe Apartment, including all meals & taxes).
The total fee for the above is (total duration 12 days, total training / exam days 10) in Dubai is US$ 4,390 per person (in Koenig Deluxe Apartment, including all meals & taxes).
Total duration includes a day of arrival and intervening Fridays.
You should have basic knowledge of computer networking and Windows Server / Linux Server before taking CEH Training Program. If not we can offer a short course on the same before CEH. Please let us know if you want us to quote for the same.
1. PayPal
2. Online via Credit card/Debit Card
3. Bank Wire Transfer
4. Western Union
You can visit the following link for more details:-
http://www.koenig-dubai.com/howtoregister.aspx
Please proceed to Step # 3. Please note that I will be able to hold your seat till 25th Feb 2013. After that we will not be able to guarantee availability of the seat (the tentative reservation will get auto cancelled).
Looking forward to hearing back from you.
Best Regards,
Peter (Mr.)
Sales Co-ordinator
Koenig Solutions Ltd.
Ec-Council Accredited Training Centre
WORLD'S #1 IN OFFSHORE TRAINING
Best Place to Work 2010, 2011 & 2012 in Education and Training Industry
+91 9810196422
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On 2/21/2013 at 2:45 AM, "Peter" <peter@koenig-solutions.com> wrote:
Dear Behrooz, Thanks for your mail. Following is the answer to your query :- [ I wish pay cash when we get there.Is this good?]
Since resources are expensive, we cannot guarantee a seat unless we receive the registration deposit. We suggest you pay the registration deposit of US$ 1,000 per person ASAP by any of the following methods and pay the balance on arrival :-
1. PayPal
2. Online via Credit card/Debit Card
3. Bank Wire Transfer
4. Western Union You can visit the following link for more details:- http://www.koenig-dubai.com/howtoregister.aspx
Please proceed to Step # 3. Please note that I will be able to hold your seat till 25th Feb 2013. After that we will not be able to guarantee availability of the seat (the tentative reservation will get auto cancelled).
[ What is the fee in rials? ]
The total fee for CEH & Web Application Hacking Tutorial Hands-on Lab is (total duration 12 days, total training / exam days 10) in Dubai is SAR 16,470 per person (in Koenig Deluxe Apartment, including all meals & taxes). Looking forward to hearing back from you.
Best Regards, Peter (Mr.)
Sales Co-ordinatorKoen
Best Place to Work 2010, 2011 & 2012 in Education and Training Industry+91 9810196422www.koenig-solutions.com ----- Original Message -----
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From: BehroozReceived: 2/22/2013 1:43 AMTo: Manu Sekhar; Peter; PeterCc: Aditya Girish; Aditya GirishSubject: Re: Behrooz : CEH Training Program at Koenig Dubai
Peter,
God willing we get the moniy to you soon. What is the price in Iran rial?
Behrooz
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----- Forwarded message from "Peter" <peter@koenig-solutions.com> -----
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 07:21:28 +0000
Subject: Behrooz : CEH Training Program at Koenig Dubai
To: "Behrooz" <emailaddress@email.com>
Cc: "Aditya Girish" <aditya.girish@koenig-solutions.com>
Dear Behrooz,
Thanks for mail.
Following is the answer to your query :-
[God willing we get the moniy to you soon. ]
Ok, please let us know once the payment is done.
[ What is the price in Iran rial?]
The total fee for CEH & Web Application Hacking Tutorial Hands-on Lab is (total duration 12 days, total training / exam days 10) in Dubai is IRR 53,910 per person (in Koenig Deluxe Apartment, including all meals & taxes).
In order to confirm your seat, you need to send us a refundable* deposit of US$ 1,000 by any of the following methods:-
1. PayPal
2. Online via Credit card/Debit Card
3. Bank Wire Transfer
4. Western Union
You can visit the following link for more details:-
http://www.koenig-dubai.com/howtoregister.aspx
Please proceed to Step # 3. Please note that I will be able to hold your seat till 28th Feb 2013. After that we will not be able to guarantee availability of the seat (the tentative reservation will get auto cancelled).
Looking forward to hearing back from you.www.koenig-solutions.com
Best Regards,
Peter (Mr.)
Sales Co-ordinator
Koenig Solutions Ltd.
Ec-Council Accredited Training Centre